Comments on: Blue Tongues at World Cup Qualifier http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier 'Enough is Enough'! Speak up NOW to stop this cruelty... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:47:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alma Lou http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-879 Alma Lou Thu, 01 Apr 2010 05:40:01 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-879 It seems the basic principles of dressage training are left behind in the aim to get to the top. Only once did I see the name of the horse--where as the rider's name was mentioned several times. I think that makes the point clear. In watching the clip, one thing I did notice that regardless of how over bent the horse was, he was NOT rounded through the back. The flex was neck only, so the engagement was forced. I would like to have seen the video of Kittel's ride-- how did the horse perform? Was he over bent? behind the vertical? back rounded, haunches engaged? Were his collected paces balanced and regular? Look at the video from this stand point and you sill not see it. The object of Dressage is to train the horse to be able so show his development in his natural paces and his beauty. It is not to cause suffering and break down for the ego of the rider. It seems the basic principles of dressage training are left behind in the aim to get to the top. Only once did I see the name of the horse–where as the rider’s name was mentioned several times. I think that makes the point clear.
In watching the clip, one thing I did notice that regardless of how over bent the horse was, he was NOT rounded through the back. The flex was neck only, so the engagement was forced. I would like to have seen the video of Kittel’s ride– how did the horse perform? Was he over bent? behind the vertical? back rounded, haunches engaged? Were his collected paces balanced and regular? Look at the video from this stand point and you sill not see it.
The object of Dressage is to train the horse to be able so show his development in his natural paces and his beauty. It is not to cause suffering and break down for the ego of the rider.

]]> By: Johanna http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-711 Johanna Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:26 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-711 Chris Sakoutis, I couldn't agree with you more - dressage is a business, horses are expensive and those who make money at this game are few and far between. It's down to the judges, who apparently reward this kind of training, and the officials who condone it. Of course the horses are not being ridden in this extreme frame in the arena, but you judges know fine well what is going on in the collecting ring, and at home - indeed, you may well be training these techniques yourselves. Either the spectators' expertise is starting to exceed that of the judges - unlikely - or the judges choose to ignore the evidence of the damaged goods paraded before them. So, no more sniping and backbiting, it's not in the interests of the horse. Instead, listen to the irrefutable scientific facts from the likes of Dr Gerd Heuschmann regarding equine biomechanics and you will perhaps begin to appreciate why we - the educated enthusiast - just don't want to watch this kind of digusting abuse in the name of dressage. Chris Sakoutis, I couldn’t agree with you more – dressage is a business, horses are expensive and those who make money at this game are few and far between. It’s down to the judges, who apparently reward this kind of training, and the officials who condone it. Of course the horses are not being ridden in this extreme frame in the arena, but you judges know fine well what is going on in the collecting ring, and at home – indeed, you may well be training these techniques yourselves. Either the spectators’ expertise is starting to exceed that of the judges – unlikely – or the judges choose to ignore the evidence of the damaged goods paraded before them. So, no more sniping and backbiting, it’s not in the interests of the horse. Instead, listen to the irrefutable scientific facts from the likes of Dr Gerd Heuschmann regarding equine biomechanics and you will perhaps begin to appreciate why we – the educated enthusiast – just don’t want to watch this kind of digusting abuse in the name of dressage.

]]> By: Talia McWilliams http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-693 Talia McWilliams Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:05:50 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-693 Dressage is Meant to be a very graceful well disciplined sport. The extended periods of Rollkur is totally Uncalled for. And in the article where it says " lodged against Patrik Kittel’s riding, but it was not deemed necessary to comment or take action, because Kittel was no worse than other riders using the same method." Are you kidding me? THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN WARN OF HAVE POINTS DOCKED FOR NEGLEGENT RIDING!! Dressage is a wonderful sport of riding... But really your going to lower your self to hurting your horse to get the kind of flex? Ahh that is disgusting! Dressage is Meant to be a very graceful well disciplined sport. The extended periods of Rollkur is totally Uncalled for. And in the article where it says

” lodged against Patrik Kittel’s riding, but it was not deemed necessary to comment or take action, because Kittel was no worse than other riders using the same method.”

Are you kidding me? THEY ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN WARN OF HAVE POINTS DOCKED FOR NEGLEGENT RIDING!!

Dressage is a wonderful sport of riding… But really your going to lower your self to hurting your horse to get the kind of flex? Ahh that is disgusting!

]]> By: Jan Ferraro http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-619 Jan Ferraro Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:14:29 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-619 Obviously I have seriously misunderstood the intent of Dressage. Silly me, I always thought it was a beautiful relationship between horse and rider. Quite obviously it is more about control at any price. As much as I have enjoyed watching Dressage in the past, forever more it will be tainted with visions of this lovely horse being handled in such a distasteful and cruel manner. Jan Obviously I have seriously misunderstood the intent of Dressage. Silly me, I always thought it was a beautiful relationship between horse and rider.
Quite obviously it is more about control at any price. As much as I have enjoyed watching Dressage in the past, forever more it will be tainted with visions of this lovely horse being handled in such a distasteful and cruel manner.

Jan

]]> By: linda http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-557 linda Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:14:51 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-557 I would love to this rider come back in life as a horse and have this done to him....it is a shame that nobody felt it necesary to do anything..there were other horses there in the same shape...what does that say for the sport... I would love to this rider come back in life as a horse and have this done to him….it is a shame that nobody felt it necesary to do anything..there were other horses there in the same shape…what does that say for the sport…

]]> By: Chris Sakoutis http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-463 Chris Sakoutis Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:12:35 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-463 The justification is the winning. Simply put, the trainer trains them this way, they win, they continue to use rolkur. The rider rides them this way, they win, they continue to use rolkur. Take out the winning and you take out the rolkur. The justification is the winning.

Simply put, the trainer trains them this way, they win, they continue to use rolkur.

The rider rides them this way, they win, they continue to use rolkur.

Take out the winning and you take out the rolkur.

]]> By: Angie http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-208 Angie Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:36:47 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-208 How disgraceful - anyone who does not see that it is animal cruelty should try having a bit in the mouth and been ridden they way that so called professional is riding. How can that be olyimpic standards? The FEI should be the leading body to put a stop to unacceptable riding techinics and equipment that courses pain and suffering to horses not the leading body turning a blind eye and allow it! How disgraceful – anyone who does not see that it is animal cruelty should try having a bit in the mouth and been ridden they way that so called professional is riding. How can that be olyimpic standards? The FEI should be the leading body to put a stop to unacceptable riding techinics and equipment that courses pain and suffering to horses not the leading body turning a blind eye and allow it!

]]> By: xuna http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-87 xuna Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:56:42 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-87 And who is Kittel's trainer . . . . . . there are obviously trainers who see nothing wrong in this sort of massacre? And of course Kittel is not the only rider at that level inflicting this on horses . . . And who is Kittel’s trainer . . . . . . there are obviously trainers who see nothing wrong in this sort of massacre? And of course Kittel is not the only rider at that level inflicting this on horses . . .

]]> By: Petra Z. McGowan http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-54 Petra Z. McGowan Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:02:16 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-54 i cannot believe Kittel's ignorance...he goes and inserts the stallion's toungue back into his mouth, but choses to ignore the sign of blocked blood flow and goes straight back into hyperflexing the horse...thank you for launching Dressage Disgrace and driving attention to this issue...seeing the sport and the animal i love so dearly pushed over the limits makes me very sad...i wonder is it the money that turned the beauty of classical dressage to this uber competitive horse violation? i cannot believe Kittel’s ignorance…he goes and inserts the stallion’s toungue back into his mouth, but choses to ignore the sign of blocked blood flow and goes straight back into hyperflexing the horse…thank you for launching Dressage Disgrace and driving attention to this issue…seeing the sport and the animal i love so dearly pushed over the limits makes me very sad…i wonder is it the money that turned the beauty of classical dressage to this uber competitive horse violation?

]]> By: Dorothy http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/blue-tongues-at-world-cup-qualifier/comment-page-1#comment-20 Dorothy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:41 +0000 http://www.dressagedisgrace.com/?p=153#comment-20 I just don't understand how anyone can justify this sort of abuse. It is totally unacceptable, and totally unnecessary. I just don’t understand how anyone can justify this sort of abuse. It is totally unacceptable, and totally unnecessary.

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